Saturday, February 11, 2006

Graduate of the Thom Hartmann School of Socialist Economics

Here's one of the questions posted by one of the commie moonbats over yonder.


Why do free market supply-and-demand dynamics make it ok for the large oil corporations to rake in 36 billion in profits, but free market supply-and-demand will not serve our labor needs?

If there is such an important need for a certain labor or laborer, then why doesn't the wage scale rise to meet that requirement? Instead, Bush said in the State of the Union speech that we need (a large influx of immigrants workers--I paraphrase-- to meet the Nation's labor demands).

Since he's been on the throne we've seen a huge increase in illegal immigrants from Mexico. I think what he's talking about is cheap labor to build wealth for those who can afford to hire cheap labor and fear no reprisals for ignoring labor and immigration laws.

Americans will do the jobs the illegal immigrants are doing if the wages increase to a fair level for personal viability.

Latest Tard Statements From the Far Side


Seriously...... $164.00 a Hour. Damn.....

I must be doing something wrong in this world. 40 hour week - 4 weeks = $26240.00. Did he mention if he get medical and dental? I wonder if He had a personnal assistant....... He posted everywhere..
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Posted 10 February 2006 15:27
I hate to say it, but: toleya so!

That's because the fearless leader of all cons (and some dems too, I notice!) on this website has been banned for PAID TROLLING.

I'm sure he makes his followers very proud.
Tell me, how am I EVER AGAIN supposed to take any of you mindless "let's all stick on our moustaches, raise our right hand and march after ol' RisingTide till death do us part" zombies seriously?

Friday, February 10, 2006

PX Hero Kerry and now John Murtha

Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
By Marc Morano and Randy Hall Staff
January 13, 2006

Read Article About Murtha's Links to Abscam

( - Having ascended to the national stage as one of the most vocal critics of President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq, Pennsylvania Democratic Congressman John Murtha has long downplayed the controversy and the bitterness surrounding the two Purple Hearts he was awarded for military service in Vietnam.

Murtha is a retired marine and was the first Vietnam combat veteran elected to Congress. Since 1967, there have been at least three different accounts of the injuries that purportedly earned Murtha his Purple Hearts. Those accounts also appear to conflict with the limited military records that are available, and Murtha has thus far refused to release his own military records.

A Cybercast News Service investigation also reveals that one of Murtha's former Democratic congressional colleagues and a fellow decorated Vietnam veteran, Don Bailey of Pennsylvania, alleges that Murtha admitted during an emotional conversation on the floor of the U.S. House in the early 1980s that he did not deserve his Purple Hearts.

"[Murtha] is putting himself forward as some combat veteran with serious wounds and he's using that and it's dishonest and it's wrong," Bailey told Cybercast News Service on Jan. 9. Murtha served in the Marines on active duty and in the reserves from 1952 until his retirement as a colonel in 1990. He volunteered for service in Vietnam and was a First Marine Regiment intelligence officer in 1966 and 1967.

Murtha and Bailey, once allies, were forced to run against each other in a Democratic congressional primary in 1982 following redistricting. Murtha won the election.

Murtha has, in the past, publicly dismissed any questions about whether he deserved his two Purple Hearts, noting during his 1994 congressional campaign that "I am proud of my service in Vietnam."

In his Friday, Jan. 13, response to the Cybercast News Service investigation, Murtha again defended his military record.

"Questions about my record are clearly an attempt to distract attention from the real issue, which is that our brave men and women in uniform are dying and being injured every day in the middle of a civil war that can be resolved only by the Iraqis themselves," Murtha wrote in an email response.

"I volunteered for a year's duty in Vietnam. I was out in the field almost every single day. We took heavy casualties in my regiment the year that I was there. In my fitness reports, I was rated No. 1. My record is clear," Murtha added.

However, another source, World War II Navy veteran Harry M. Fox, previously indicated that Murtha in 1968 personally asked Fox's boss, then-U.S. Rep. John Saylor (R-Pa.), for assistance in obtaining the Purple Hearts, but was turned down because Saylor's office determined that Murtha lacked sufficient evidence of wounds. Murtha later challenged Saylor for his House seat in 1968 and lost. Fox said he personally viewed Murtha's military records in 1968 as Saylor's aide.

When Saylor died in 1973, Fox attempted to succeed his boss in Congress, but was narrowly defeated by Murtha in a 1974 special election.

"Pretending to be a big war hero and boasting about having medals is a slap in the face to our veterans who were seriously wounded or killed in action," Fox was quoted as telling the Uniontown Herald-Standard in the newspaper's Nov. 1, 1996 edition. "He campaigned as a war hero and I've never seen any documentation that he earned any of these honors," Fox reportedly stated.

On Friday, Jan. 13, Murtha's congressional communications director provided Cybercast News Service with a copy of a letter from the commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, citing Murtha's request of Sept. 26, 1967, seeking Purple Hearts. Cybercast News Service did not authenticate the letter.

"The records of this Headquarters show that you are entitled to the Purple Heart and a Gold Star in lieu of a second Purple Heart for wounds received in action against insurgent Communist Guerrilla forces on 22 March and 7 May 1967 in the Republic of Vietnam," according to the letter signed by an individual identified only as A. Gardoni. Gardoni's title is not listed on the letter.

Cybercast News Service attempted to contact Fox for this article, but learned that the health of the 81-year-old was too poor to allow him to communicate. But in a 1996 newspaper article, Fox questioned whether Murtha deserved his Purple Hearts, alleging that there was insufficient evidence of injuries and that Murtha was never confined to a hospital.

"Of course Congressman Saylor wanted to help if he could, but there was nothing in the service record to indicate the wounds were of any severity and the documents specifically indicated that next of kin was not notified in either instance," Fox told the Herald-Standard in 1996. "We were amazed that Mr. Murtha was asking for Purple Hearts for superficial lacerations," he added.

Murtha's accounts of his Vietnam War wounds may also conflict with the available U.S. Marine medical records obtained by the media.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on May 12, 2002, reported that "Marine Corps casualty records show that Murtha was injured in 'hostile' actions near Danang, Vietnam, on March 22, 1967, and May 7, 1967.

"In the first incident, his right cheek was lacerated, and in the second, he was lacerated above his left eye. Neither injury required evacuation," the Post-Gazette reported.

But an Oct. 26, 1994, article in the Herald-Standard quoted Murtha as describing two different injuries.

"I was wounded in the arm with shrapnel from a bullet that hit the motor mount of a helicopter. In the other, my knee was banged up and my arm was banged up when a helicopter was shot down from a very few feet," Murtha told the Herald-Standard.

A June 1, 1967 report in the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat quoted a letter that the newspaper indicated was sent by Murtha to his wife that same year. The letter apparently detailed yet another version of how Murtha qualified for one of his Purple Hearts. According to the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat, Murtha's injuries involved his being "struck in the ankle" by a "shot that ricocheted off the helicopter."

Murtha, a 16-term congressman from southwestern Pennsylvania and the senior Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, drew national attention on Nov. 17, 2005, when he called for an immediate withdrawal of American forces from Iraq.

The Vietnam veteran even took a swipe at President Bush and Vice President Cheney, neither of whom have actual combat experience.

"I like guys who've never been there, who criticize us who've been there," Murtha said. "I like that. I like guys who got five deferments and never been there and sent people to war and then don't like to hear suggestions that what may need to be done."

Murtha discussed his own combat experience as a marine intelligence officer in his 2004 autobiography, "From Vietnam to 9/11: On the Front Lines of National Security."

"I had been awake more than twenty-four hours by the time we landed. A few hours into the battle, an on-again-off-again event, I could no longer keep my eyes open. I curled up next to a bunker and fell into a deep sleep for about an hour. Even the noise of frequent gunfire didn't wake me up. (One of my fellow officers told me the next morning that when he hadn't seen me for an hour or so, he assumed I was dead,)" Murtha wrote of one of his Vietnam combat experiences on page 14 of the 2004 paperback edition of his book. Murtha's two Purple Hearts are referenced on the back of the book.

In addition to his Purple Hearts, Murtha received the Vietnamese Cross for Gallantry and the Bronze Star with combat "V" for service in the 1st Marine Division in Vietnam. Murtha also served in the Marines during the Korean War but did not serve in Korea, according to his book.

'He's a phony and a liar'

Bailey said during the time Murtha was being investigated for his role in the Abscam FBI sting in 1980, Murtha made a confession on the House floor.

... you admitted, back in our corner, that you didn't earn your purple hearts (sic) (you indicated you had small scratch on your cheek that wasn't even directly related to an APC [Armored Personnel Carrier] that ran over a small antipersonnel mine that was behind you). The other purple heart [sic] you even declined to explain," wrote Bailey in an open letter dated May 5, 2002.

Bailey is also a decorated Vietnam combat veteran. He served in the U.S. Army's 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions and was awarded a Silver Star and three Bronze Stars.

"At the time (of Murtha's alleged admission), you were feeling particularly vulnerable because it wasn't too long after you had called me crying and sobbing, thanking me for 'saving your life' before the ethics committee (on Abscam-related charges). There was no doubt in my mind that you were expressing to me that you did not believe you did anything sufficient to earn the purple heart [sic] and that you didn't want to be active in my efforts to laud Vietnam veterans that served with us," Bailey wrote in his May 2002 letter.

"You may deny that all you wish -- but you and I know that that conversation took place," he added.

In the Jan. 9 interview with Cybercast News Service Bailey affirmed the contents of his 2002 letter.

"The issue here is this idea or pretense that [Murtha] knows combat and he's got two Purple Hearts. He's a phony and a liar," Bailey said.

Bailey also questioned why Murtha has thus far declined to release his full military records in order to clear up the controversy.

"The Marine Corps ought to be able to produce all the orders, the medical stuff, the citations and the orders granting [the Purple Hearts] and everything else. Where is that stuff?" he asked.

According to a May 16, 2002, edition of the Washington, Pa., Observer-Reporter, Murtha "produced military paperwork indicating he was entitled to the awards," and a Murtha spokesperson was quoted as saying that "the media for years has investigated 'and found nothing.'"

But Murtha's paperwork did nothing to sway Bailey's opinion.

"You may fool a few reporters into believing that merely because you got some perfunctory paperwork made out by a friend, that that means you earned the purple hearts [sic]. But even if you were awarded the medals later, there should be affidavits from witnesses. These things should be easy to get," Bailey wrote in his letter while demanding an apology from Murtha for questioning his credibility.

Murtha could end the controversy at any time, Bailey added, simply by calling a press conference and producing the evidence of his wounds.

"Explain where you were and what you were doing when you got the purple hearts.[sic] Explain who was with you and treated your wounds, but most important, Jack, describe your wounds or the lack thereof, as you did for me, years ago," Bailey wrote.

"Unless the Marine Corps gives out medals for unsubstantiated noncombat-related telltale scratches, procured for use in political campaign -- then show me the money, Jack," Bailey added.

Murtha: 'I'm proud of my service in Vietnam'

During the 1994 congressional campaign against GOP opponent Dr. William Choby, Murtha's two Purple Hearts became a political issue.

"Explain your Purple Hearts. He (Murtha) used them to get elected," Choby charged in 1994.

In responding to the charges, Murtha claimed that he "didn't ask for the Purple Hearts.

"I'm proud of my service in Vietnam. I don't know if he (Choby) served in the service at all. I left my family and my business to serve in Vietnam. My family made great sacrifice for me to make that service in Vietnam, so I'm very proud of that," he told the Uniontown Herald-Standard in the newspaper's Oct. 26, 1994 edition.

"I am disappointed that a guy (Choby) would say something like that when I volunteered in the reserves and I felt it was important that I go. What's the point in all this? It's irritating," Murtha added.

Choby also challenged the validity of Murtha's Bronze Star with Combat 'V' during the 1996 congressional campaign.

"I find it very curious that Combat 'V' doesn't even exist in any of the materials he had distributed," Choby was quoted as saying in the Herald-Standard of Oct. 13, 1996. "His military record improves over the years," he added.

The Murtha controversy is reminiscent of the flap surrounding the war record of 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry. But while critics like the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacked Kerry in 2004 because of his anti-war activism of the 1970s, Murtha's three chief accusers all made their allegations years and in some cases decades before Murtha emerged last November as a prominent anti-war activist.

Choby told Cybercast News Service on Jan. 5 that Murtha's entire political career is based on his war record. "Without that credibility of those combat medals, he would have never been elected to office," Choby said.

Tuesday, February 07, 2006

hi MileS

i see you can't keep away!

why don't you share soMe of that fantastic intellect with uS?


Disgraceful DemoRATS Use Coretta Funeral for Political Lies

Tuesday, Feb. 7, 2006 1:12 p.m. EST

Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton Blast Bush at King Service

The self-appointed Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton lambasted President Bush Monday night at a memorial service in Atlanta for Coretta Scott King, faulting him for the Iraq war and for ignoring the plight of black people.
The two Democratic Party civil rights leaders "galvanized the crowd" during a three-hour service at the city's famed Ebenezer Baptist Church, as they blasted government figures like Bush for trying to make the King legacy their own, the Associated Press said.

"We can't let them take her from us and reduce her to their trophy and not our freedom fighter," Jackson railed. "This is not a celebrity funeral," added Sharpton. "This is us coming to say thank you to a woman who took a bullet in her husband and kept on marching."
The dueling reverends excoriated Bush for the Hurricane Katrina disaster and for diverting the nation's resources to the Iraq war. President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush attended Mrs. King's funeral on Tuesday, along with former first couple Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Today's memorial service for civil rights activist Coretta Scott King -- billed as a "celebration" of her life -- turned suddenly political as one former president took a swipe at the current president, who was also lashed by an outspoken black pastor!The outspoken Rev. Joseph Lowery, co-founder of Southern Christian Leadership Conference, ripped into President Bush during his short speech, ostensibly about the wife of Martin Luther King Jr."She extended Martin's message against poverty, racism and war. She deplored the terror inflicted by our smart bombs on missions way afar. We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there," Lowery said. The mostly black crowd applauded, then rose to its feet and cheered in a two-minute-long standing ovation.A closed-circuit television in the mega-church outside Atlanta showed the president smiling uncomfortably."But Coretta knew, and we know," Lowery continued, "That there are weapons of misdirection right down here," he said, nodding his head toward the row of presidents past and present. "For war, billions more, but no more for the poor!" The crowd again cheered wildly.Former President Jimmy Carter later swung at Bush as well, not once but twice. As he talked about the Kings, he said: "It was difficult for them then personally with the civil liberties of both husband and wife violated as they became the target of secret government wiretaps." The crowd cheered as Bush, under fire for a secret wiretapping program he ordered after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, again smiled weakly. Later, Carter said Hurricane Katrina showed that all are not yet equal in America. Some black leaders have blamed Bush for the poor federal response, and rapper Kayne West said that Bush "hates" black people.

Bout Time Government Sponsored Liberalism was Cut

Bush seeks to slash public broadcast funds
WASHINGTON (Hollywood Reporter) - President George W. Bush took a swipe at Big Bird and his ilk Monday as he proposed slashing funds to public broadcasting by more than $150 million. In the president's 2007 budget request, funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting will be cut by $53.5 million in 2007 and $50 million more in 2008. Those cuts don't reflect others made in funding at the Education and Commerce departments and the elimination of specific programs for digital TV conversion and satellite delivery system. Public broadcasting officials estimate that the entire budget cuts run $157 million over the two-year period. "Oscar the Grouch has been friendlier to the Sesame Street characters than President Bush, who has chosen to make huge cuts to children's television programming," said Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass. "In a world of fast-and-furious television with ratings-driven content, the public broadcasting system represents the last stronghold of quality child-oriented programming -- we owe this to America's children." The cuts in public broadcasting are part of an attempt by the White House to reduce the country's red ink as the administration seeks more money for the military and seeks to make Bush's first-term tax cuts permanent.
Attempts by conservative Republicans to cut CPB funds are nothing new. Many conservatives view the public broadcasting as a bastion of liberalism. While there have been attempts to make cuts, the service has wide support in Congress from Republicans and Democrats who like its dedication to public affairs and educational programming.
Last year, an overwhelming majority in Congress voted to restore cuts proposed by the administration. This year, those cuts go even deeper, and it could be more difficult to win the fight in Congress, said John Lawson, president and CEO of the Association of Public Television Stations.
"We've dealt with cuts from this White House every year, but these are the deepest he's ever presented," Lawson said. "We see a clear and present danger here."
It took an advertising campaign from public TV stations to mobilize the service's supporters, something that might not be as effective a second time, he said.
"This is a tough environment in Washington right now, and we're competing with other priorities," Lawson said. "If you don't make your case, you lose," he said. "We won last year, but only after we asked the stations to go on the air and tell their communities what was happening. It's an effort we won't foreclose, but if you do that every year, it loses its effectiveness. We're going to try to win this one on the ground."
In his $2.77 billion budget, Bush asks Congress to sharply cut or eliminate 141 government programs. Almost one-third of the targeted programs are in education, including ones that provide money to support the arts, vocational education, parent resource centers and drug-free schools.
"My administration has focused the nation's resources on our highest priority -- protecting our citizens and our homeland," Bush said in his budget message.
Bush's spending proposals are for the 2007 budget year that begins October 1. The $2.77 trillion in spending would be up 2.3% from projected spending of $2.71 trillion this year.
The administration in its budget documents said the deficit for this year will soar to an all-time high of $423 billion, reflecting increased outlays for the Iraq war and hurricane relief.
Reuters/Hollywood Reporter
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Monday, February 06, 2006

Who Said There Were WMDs in the First Place?

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.” - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.” - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983.” - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb 18,1998

“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry (D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

“Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.” - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.” - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

“We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.” - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…” - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force- if necessary- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Here's Some Funny Questions the Libs Have for Us

What is the the real reason the president thinks he needs to bypass the courts to listen in on our telephone and e-mail conversations? If "data mining" intelligence on terrorist activities and terrorists connections was really the goal, then why did he fly out scores of Saudi Arabians including many Bin-Ladens a few days after 9-11 without sufficient questioning? There is so much documented evidence on this that I wouldn't know where to begin, but I'll just remind you that GHW Bush was meeting with the Bin Ladens in DC at the Carlyle Group's offices during the attack.

Why would this administration give these people-- who know Osama intimately--a pass and then select American's to spy on? I think the answer is obvious. They are not looking to roundoup terrorists, they are looking for American Patriots who are actively opposing this corporate regime. How they propose to silence us is another question.

Ask how Dick Cheney cannot possibly be in a position of gross conflict of interest in regards to so many direct award contracts to his former company Hellburnin'

Ask him why, during the swift boat vets attack on Kerry's patriotism, didn't the "Honest" Repubs, mention Prescott Bush's historical trading ventures with the Nazis during WWII while our soldiers were dying violent deaths.

Ask him what Larry Silverstein meant when he said: " . . . and so we decided to pull the building." Refering to building No. 7.

What reality? Oh the Bushie reality that there were WMDs in Iraq? I think I'll start with "Where are the WMDs?" Almost 4 years and not one thread of evidence that they ever existed

The Morons Over at the Looney Bin

These people actually believe that the RNC would waste money to pay someone to post messages on their obscure message board. Hillareous stuff
Wow. I can't describe how relieved I am that imbecil has finally been caught.Imagine, if anybody had listened to me, he wouldn't have made all that money on us the way he did.But hey, freedom of speech above all, right? Even if it means your own demise.Remember, Hitler was elected democratically...
Yeah! RisingFascist is finally gone! No conservative board would have tolerated his political vandalism and discussion sabotage as long as this board. At least when they are banned there is general agreement!It is interesting that the Republican fascist believe this board is worth targeting by paying a psychopath to poison this channel of communication.
If *that* is the kind of defense *progressive* views need then that doesn't say much for them, does it? Imagine how insecure these conservatives are, that they would actually put people like risingtide on the payroll only to disrupt progressive conversations. Imagine how threatened they feel by Thom and by all of us here.

Isn't it telling enough that Rising would brag about that money in the chatroom? See how low his/her morals are, and Conservatism's morals (if they have any )

I say rise above any obvious provocations by risingtide or members like him/her and your progressive beliefs will have gotten the *defense* they deserve, if defense is what you intended by counter attack or by putting liberals on the payroll to disrupt and annoy Conservatives

Commie Rep Collapses While Using War Dead as a Prop for his Campaign.

Rep. Bernie Sanders collapsed Sunday while attending the funeral of a Vermont National Guardsman killed last month in Iraq, but he was able to walk to an ambulance without assistance.

"I feel all right," Sanders, 64, said as he left the building. "My wife had a flu. I'm fine."

Sanders left the funeral for Sgt. Joshua Johnson while it was still going in the Richford High School gymnasium, then fell to the floor in the lobby. He lay on the floor for a few minutes before being helped into a restroom.

Medical crews attended to him for more than a half hour before he walked to an ambulance.

An independent elected to the U.S. House in 1990, Sanders is running now for the U.S. Senate seat held by Jim Jeffords, who is retiring. Sanders is considered the front-runner for the seat and has the Democratic Party's backing.

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Sandy Burgler Said Rapist Had Authority to Eavesdrop.

Sunday, Feb. 5, 2006 11:11 p.m. EST
Bill Clinton: Sandy Berger Confirmed 1990s Wiretapping was Legal
Ex-president Bill Clinton said Friday that "to the best of my knowledge," his administration always sought a court warrant before wiretapping terrorist suspects who might have been preparing to attack America.
And he double-checked with disgraced former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, just to make sure his recollection was accurate.
"To the best of my knowledge, all of the wiretaps we did were conducted in accord with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act," Clinton told WCBS News Radio 880 in New York.
"I called my former National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, about this," Clinton revealed. "And he said, you know, they would ask me and I would approve probably two to five wiretaps a week to the [FISA] court."
"And as far as I know," Clinton said, "they approved them all. If they turned any down, it would just be one or two."
The former president said he "actually liked" operating within the restrictions of the FISA law.
"I actually liked it because none of us are immune from error," he told WCBS. "And if, for example, we wiretapped a conversation of a totally innocent person, you would not want that conversation to be used in some other way, for some other reason.
"So I never had any problem with it," Clinton insisted.
Asked if he thought President Bush's terrorist surveillance program was both legal and constitutional, Clinton replied: "I haven't researched it enough to know."
"You know, the last cases on this that were relevant were probably Lincoln's suspension or the writ of habeas corpus and two cases around the Civil War called Ex-parte Yeager and Ex-parte McArdle," he explained.
"You can go back and read those cases but there has not been a great deal of litigation that goes directly to the inherent authority of the president.
"But for me," Clinton continued, "the statute never presented a problem. As far as I know we always followed the statute. I don't think we ever went outside it. And it seems to me that I haven't seen any indication that it would have been an impediment here."
Clinton reiterated: "To the best of my knowledge, we never went outside [the law]. If we did, I don't know about it."

Sunday, February 05, 2006

The 1st Ammendment is Alive and Well Over in LiarLand.

Why is it always the left who claim freedom of speach as their greatest cause also are the first to ban the speach of anyone who disagrees with them? I suppose it is because their thinking is basically rooted in the their fascist/marxist lineage. Here's some of that intellect hard at work over in bizarroland:
Has anybody besides me noticed that we haven't seen Mr. Watchful Eye Risingtide around much lately?

Could it be that worthless piece of shit has finally flown the coop?

Good. And I hate to say it, but "told you so!".

I think I have another candidate alias right here:

"Jo Bloggs"

"from the Netherlands". Jah.

It's good that bastard has been banned, but I think it's extremely sad it had to take this long. He did a lot of damage that could have easily been prevented. "Save the Earth, chop down a tree" indeed...


Thom kicked risingtide out last week.
Right. One down. Cya RisingImbecilbastardwasteoftimeassholesobworhtlessscumbag. And please, BE A STRANGER.

let's see who's left:

Risingtide / Bringemon
Slacker 1960

I guess only Slacker. Any new faces?

You can't have a dialogue with someone who's purpose it is to disrupt dialogue. Bringemon, RT and that little legion they bring with them come here ONLY to post infuriating remarks thusly preventing the "normal" visitors from actually reaching any form of concensus on anything besides "the trolls are assholes".

They should be banned as soon as possible, or at least they should be exposed for what they are as soon as possible, which is why I started this thread. At least when you know what you are dealing with, you have the choice to engage them or not.

Of course these brilliant passages are not the best the board has to offer; but only the mutterings of one deranged learning impaired troll.